Feel vs physics - Friends or foes?

[Kknorpp001]

All of this talk of FFB in games is sounding a lot like asking which is better: a photograph or a painting. First of all...what is "better"? IMO, they're just different. You can have great or crap photos (and everything inbetween) and you can have great or crap paintings. You can have paintings that feel more real than a photo, and you can have photos that are as impressionistic and abstract as paintings. We see games/sims that fall anywhere along these lines in either respect. Hell, we have cars that vary within these parameters. It really is a pointless discussion when it's done ad nauseum--which I think we've reached.

Excellent metaphor. So you believe it is more of a balancing act?

[deak1944]

I don't understand. Many of us have g27 for example and that is only hardware we have right?

I mean the same hardware setup including the computer, graphics card, monitor(s), and each of those set up the same (vsync on or off, same speed cpu, same motherboard, same bios settings and so on).
Even if we are using ONLY the FFB wheel as the basis of comparison then each would have to have the same rotation and
the the same setup for the car we are driving.

[LesiU]

...and the same clothes, the same seat, the same hi-fi. Don't forget the same room with the same furniture. Also the same temperature and humidity! Actually, we should also be the of the same height, have the same mentality, look the same and in general - just be the same!

[KeiKei]

I think that is what often gets bit mixed up, hardcore simulator vs simlike game is perhaps what you should poll next ;D

Exactly and I think driving aids are the way to go - not messing physics. My older brother was visiting us this weekend and was immediately hooked up in rF2. He doesn't have racing background but was really enjoying driving Clio at Croft and Mountain Forest. He didn't need driving aids for Clio but Megane was too hard. So I enabled traction control and anti-lock brakes. After that he was able to do clean laps at Croft and said Megane was even more fun than Clio. Of course he was fast as a snail but lowering opponent strength gave him good racing experience.

I asked him about the feeling/immersion and he found them very good/strong. Also didn't find 9:1 steering ratio too fast or slow. He spend two days here and drove at least 8 hours so I think future looks very promising for rF2!

[Kknorpp001]

I mean the same hardware setup including the computer, graphics card, monitor(s), and each of those set up the same (vsync on or off, same speed cpu, same motherboard, same bios settings and so on).
Even if we are using ONLY the FFB wheel as the basis of comparison then each would have to have the same rotation and
the the same setup for the car we are driving.

Ummmm.... Yeah you lost me there, bud. No worries....

[Kknorpp001]

...and the same clothes, the same seat, the same hi-fi. Don't forget the same room with the same furniture. Also the same temperature and humidity! Actually, we should also be the of the same height, have the same mentality, look the same and in general - just be the same!

And at the same time! Lol