Where are you up to

**Bristow** · 03-06-12, 05:13 AM

I am curious about where is this process up to. There is a Beta product, which is available to those who sign up to the full product price - as it is now. That product is an apparently unfinished racing sim, with shortcomings, unfinished bits and some documentation. One has to pay the final(?) product price to play with the unfinished Beta.

Documention as it is deals with graphics and getting a car into the game. Physics is not described.

RF1 had physics which did not produce realistic tyre, and so, car behaviour, for the standard in-game cars. The documentation was so limited that many of us spent several years of spare time reverse engineering the physics to produce something that was arguably close to realistic. That will not be acceptable this time around. This new version may become so focussed on appearance that behaviour becomes unimportant, but if not, rF2 faces important competition.

I was impressed that Ben Collins (Stig, for some of us), in the CARS forum, described the dance that was the actuality of driving a car at speed. RF2 has to deliver that out of the box or it has lost it's way with the physics.

Where are you up to with that?

**Niksounds** · 03-06-12, 05:24 AM

what are your intentions with this topic?

Is your topic for real drivers or not? also we can speak of nothing..

**Dave Millard** · 03-06-12, 08:03 AM

**Kristoff Rand** · 03-06-12, 08:05 AM

EA arguably the largest and most prolific game builder makes people pay for Beta access. Battle Field 3 was pay for Alpha, Beta and Early Access.

**Vedster** · 03-06-12, 08:13 AM

Why don't you buy the beta and try, and make your own judgement where tyre model is.
If you don't like ISI will refund you your money if you ask for it.

RF2 beta does not need stig to drum up its qualities, it is a beta product, there are shortfalls of course, its a beta, but, it is a fantastic beta to that matter, at least in my eyes

**Navigator** · 03-06-12, 08:14 AM

@ TS, you speak of physics, but have you tried RF2 then?
If so; you wouldn't be saying this and if not; you shouldn't speak of this at all; just assumptions for tearing down a game is nog nice to say the least.

And paying for a beta; nobody is twisting your arm I believe........

**erale** · 03-06-12, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Bristow

I am curious about where is this process up to. There is a Beta product, which is available to those who sign up to the full product price - as it is now. That product is an apparently unfinished racing sim, with shortcomings, unfinished bits and some documentation. One has to pay the final(?) product price to play with the unfinished Beta.

You paid for the full version and got access to the beta. When the beta ends you'll get the full version as you already paid for it. Like an preorder and you have early access (in form of the beta) to the game. Other companies do this as well in similar forms.

**GTClub_wajdi** · 03-06-12, 08:37 AM

The Physics of the Beta rF2 is great(I had played iRacing,GTR2,LFS.....)the FFB absolutely amazing and realistic but the rest(Graphics, menu) is awful!
Sorry for my poor English!

**taufikp** · 03-06-12, 08:57 AM

For those who don't know Bristow yet, he is not a some new face in ISI games, and most certainly not a troll in this forum. If I'm not mistaken, he's been around since the days of F1 Challenge 1999-2002 (developed by ISI, published by EA Sports). He's one of those physics gurus in rFactor 1 modding realm and currently still active in rF1 modding. He developed the physics for all cars in CSGT's 1970 World Sports Car Championship mod for rFactor.

**MaXyM** · 03-06-12, 09:14 AM

Don't worry. Anybody who are not using words like "amazing, beautiful, superb" is considered here as a troll

**K Szczech** · 03-06-12, 10:05 AM

I can only disagree with you, MaXyM.
I keep a quite reserved opnion about rF2 and I haven't noticed anyone mistreating me.

As long as we take care for our posts to sound polite and mature, people will respect our opinions.

**MaXyM** · 03-06-12, 10:17 AM

Maybe because 'you keep a quite reserved opinion'
I never seen you wrote that something is 'awful' or 'bad'. Try this - naming things directly shouldn''t be considered as bad thing. But on this forum using such words makes you impolite/troll. Check out recent patryksok's posts - he has been even called a troll. That's what I'm talking about.
But why searching posts... look at beginning of this thread. Do you think Bristow's post is impolite? Why he is called a troll then?

**Satangoss** · 03-06-12, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by taufikp

He developed the physics for all cars in CSGT's 1970 World Sports Car Championship mod for rFactor.

It's a excellent mod, indeed.

Originally Posted by MaXyM

Don't worry. Anybody who are not using words like "amazing, beautiful, superb" is considered here as a troll

Unfortunately, it doesn't happen only here. The fancy now is to declare as a "troll" everyone who don't speak / write what mainstream likes and considers as a "normal" opinion. Polemic is no longer allowed.

**Guy Moulton** · 03-06-12, 11:20 AM

I signed up for a beta and as such, I'm pateintly waiting and doing my part to help out the process by reporting what I experience. I won't try to make demands nor will I put in anyone's face that I paid for it and deserve anything. Nor am i looking for a date. I will ask ISI one thing- is everything more or less on track, or have there been big snags or unforseen problems that will delay things?

Just in general- how are you guys all doing over there is ISIland?

**Cracheur** · 03-06-12, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Satangoss

Unfortunately, it doesn't happen only here. The fancy now is to declare as a "troll" everyone who don't speak / write what mainstream likes and considers as a "normal" opinion. Polemic is no longer allowed.

+1...

even though it's off-topic... I'd like to add some words:
the activity on this forum has also gone down dramatically... at least for a game that is in beta. Fan-boys just don't allow any kind of direct critisism.(it's beta...blabla don't complain... most ridiculous: "You did not pay for the beta. You only pre-purchased RF2 with the right to play the beta. Hence don't complain and shut-up...wtf)

Secondly, nobody is playing online. How comes? If Rf2 is sooo amazing and great as some people claim over here, why is nobody playing it?
Last but not least, my biggest concern about RF2: fragmentation of the community as we had it in rf1. Already now, you have servers running mods you have not installed and hence you cannot join the game. You can't even filter them out. It's frustrating to see that no improvements have been made in that area. Casual high quality racing is not possible with RF1 and I'm afraid this has not changed in RF2. (even with the new mod management system)

I understand that ISI counts on the modding community and that they can't hosts all mods centrally, they should however think of ways to avoid too massif fragmentation and allow easy download of the necessary files. The only reason I was playing iRacing is that it always works and you can race within a few minutes with other people. For now it seems that RF2 is again only aiming at leagues etc... However many people like racing without having the time to join a ligue. I hope that ISI will introduce some system to find the right mod on the net. Every mod now has it's own "ID", this does however not help to find them on the net. I'm thinking of some kind of central listing of all available mods (without hosting them). ISI could offer a way to "register" your mod and make it visible including the download links etc... On that list there should also be kind of popularity flag for mods... This would make it easier to choose a popular mod and also find people playing online.... which somehow seems to be basic idea on a racing game... race against other drivers.

Or am I completely mistaken here?

**CdnRacer** · 03-06-12, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Cracheur

If Rf2 is sooo amazing and great as some people claim over here, why is nobody playing it?

I'm on rF2 about 6 to 8 hours a week offline. I guess that doesn't count.

I really see this thread going places.

Someone send Tim a case of oranges. I think he's sick again.

**MaXyM** · 03-06-12, 11:50 AM

And what Tim should do with this thread? Close it? Just because next unsatisfied customers said something? C'mon!

**freew67** · 03-06-12, 11:56 AM

Im surprised it took till Tuesday to get another thread like this. Max its not the thread as much as this is prob the 1000th post exactly like this. Everyone keeps moaning about the same thing, so whats the point? Most of the time folks are just stirring the pot and TBH its getting old. You dont like rf2, move on. Its that simple.

**Cracheur** · 03-06-12, 12:00 PM

Ahh, ok, you're the guy I see driving alone on the track from time to time. No but seriously, having read some of your 744 witty posts, I removed you from my official and representative statistics. You're just playing in a different league and that's why I did not count you.

**Cracheur** · 03-06-12, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by freew67

Im surprised it took till Tuesday to get another thread like this. Max its not the thread as much as this is prob the 1000th post exactly like this. Everyone keeps moaning about the same thing, so whats the point? Most of the time folks are just stirring the pot and TBH its getting old. You dont like rf2, move on. Its that simple.

well if you don't get the point, I'm afraid you've not understood what a beta is good for.

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