Thread: RF2 over LAN?
That would kill the idea why matchmaker is required in the firstplace. How to verify, if the code is correct if offline? This would lead to quick .... and ISI would lose money = ISI would not be able to focus so much on rFactor 2 development = we would not get so much extra content = bad.
I am sure this will not happen, matchmaker is and will be the only possibility to play multiplayer games. (99.9253%)
Activation codes are very easily cracked. I can guarantee that every major commercial piece of software that verifies exclusively via a key check will be or ultimately has been cracked. ISI would not only be complicating their software more but shooting themselves in the foot by doing it.Originally Posted by John.Persson
Yeah, rather see it locked down hard than open it up for the crackers.
To bad for the ones who cant get internet access properly for their LAN partys, but that's life for you, UNFAIR
Yours faithfully, Vrooom vroom!
your comments are plain silly: nobody said a dialup is part of a lan, it was stated that to play lan a internet connection was required at startup.
So the question whether a dial-up is enough to start-up the game or a DSL is required is perfectly pertinent.
For me the real name would be fine, but if you can't do it at least make: one-license one - on-line identity.
One should not be allowed to have multiple accounts such that you wreck on a site and in 5 minutes after banning you're in again with new a name.
About the pricing for me it is perfectly fine: i agree with who said that if it saves you time it saves you money, and the MM taht saves you from the mess of differents tracks/mods versions is for that, and I like it cause I even asked for it in the past: aren't you tired of Meganes at Toban/Mills? How much did the mod mess limit the non-league/quick race variety?
Take it easy, he admitted his mistake and his 'dial-up IS part of a LAN' comment was obviously in the context of needing a net connection of some sort.
I stopped public racing because of wreckers and what I figured was a higher percentage of cheating (at least in a league you have something to lose if caught, even if there are other leagues to move to), but I never got tired of racing Meganes at Mills, Toban, Essington, Orchard Lake, ...(even if I never made up that last 0.5-1s to catch the fast guys, but it was satisfying to knock the previous 4-5s off)
I'm really hoping the extra accountability limited licenses will provide, and the easier mod/track matching, will revive the public racing scene. Most leagues are only actually racing for up to a few hours a day, so if they can run a server most of the rest of the time and have people coming in, getting to know the league, and providing lots of racing for the established members as well, we might be able to enjoy the same sort of 'pick up and play' aspect that iRacing can provide - without anywhere near the same cost, and without someone making a mistake and hitting you causing you to take extra time (and money) to get to the car or track you're dying to try...
Combined with what could be a fantastic AI experience, we're all going to wish we had 35 hours in a day
well I read the phoning home the other way around
single nick per license goes in the same direction: people will be afraid to get caught and banned foreverI stopped public racing because of wreckers and what I figured was a higher percentage of cheating (at least in a league you have something to lose if caught, even if there are other leagues to move to)
well i never liked meganes physics, but that's another story...but I never got tired of racing Meganes at Mills, Toban, Essington, Orchard Lake
exactly what 'm looking for here: cause I can't attend to leagues with regularity... we might be able to enjoy the same sort of 'pick up and play' aspect that iRacing can provide...
with CARS in beta, and who knows GTR3 next year I might end needing 72 :-)Combined with what could be a fantastic AI experience, we're all going to wish we had 35 hours in a day
#188
I've always said that for every coder making copy protection, there's a much more clever 13-year old waiting to break it.
even if you clone and move physics data in memory, cript it with a changing key and inject from the server a new keys and chypher code dynamically once in a while?
The original question was worded such that its intent was vague, hence my original response. Once I realised what it actually meant, I said "of course-my bad".
Moreover, ISI have said that a dialup (or some such connex) is a necessary part of a LAN - for rF2 at least. That's the novelty, and the real source of confusion.
#191
Eventually, yes.
Thats very good news!
As i was involved at the beta team of RF1 and from there i think i know how the ISI team tickes - Just my thoughts about:
I am totally sure that Gjon and the team are right when they want to save their investment. It is such a risk to produce games for such a small part of the market, you have to save the small marge if you want to be successful.
And if the only way to ensure this is to route all multiplayer to the matchmaker service all of you have to deal with it. They surely do NOT have the big profit in their mind when they created that model.
It is a good idea if dedicated servers will be remain free of any charge (I ran a server/league for my own a while). The small ammount every simrace has to pay after the 12/18 month is ok if the MM services are perfect.
BUT on the other hand i know how really annoying it is when a race will be abandoned due to a MM server problem. So the success in league racing, or better over all because league racing IS the market for rfactor, depends on the reliability of the MM Servers. ISI better installs a couple of MM servers on every continent to do anything possible to reduce the risk of a lost connection to the MM server.
I'm out of simracing since a few years, i just follow the rf2 development. Therefor i landed here
kind regards, Wolfgang
Wow, I didn't think that my question would create so much discussion. All I was hoping for is a definite yes or no from somebody in the know - a developer response. I haven't seen any specifications on bandwidth required for 'validation' only.
We live on the outskirts of the internet where dialup is still the norm rather than the exception and LAN gaming is the only option for most multiplayer games. The key decider here in respect to buying rF2 is; can you host a LAN game on a 56K dialup connection?
#195
The data isn't going through the 56k connection, just the setup of the server is.
I believe the correct term for this travesty is crippleware - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crippleware
You want people to pay for something that should be enabled from the beginning. Why? You don't provide any meaningful extra service regarding LAN games as you should have when you start charging for it. You simply bundled the LAN option up with online gaming and statistics to incite a few extra users to buy the subscription every year. That's NOT an honest way of running business and frankly it's gonna drive more people away. Including myself.
It's sad to see a title with such potential go awry.
Lublana je najlepa, me ne zanima kok stane, ne?
Like everyone else I was going to buy RF2 as soon as it came out but not anymore.I see no reason why I should have to pay ISI so I can join my leagues server.Now if it was 2006-2007 again I would gladly have paid for the extras.
The fact you two are so concerned about this is absolute proof that you understand what it all means and so will anyone else looking into it - there's no deception going on here. If you want to play online and don't want to spend the $13 a year, don't buy rFactor 2.
You're not paying to join your own server - you're paying to play rFactor 2 online. If rFactor was an upfront cost of $120 with no further payment, you'd have the option to either get it or not. Now you have the option to either get it for online play, for offline play, or not at all. And if you think you might buy it for an all-inclusive $120 (considering it's for what should be a quality sim with many quality inclusions and hundreds of free addons in the longer term, I think many would) the good news is that same amount of money will cover you for nearly 6 years.
(the predictable response is "well give me that option and don't make me have to access the service", but that's not what's being sold here. So if you don't like it, don't buy it. Again
If you don't want it, that's fine. But don't act like everyone else is being fooled and you've seen the light. I understand what it all means, and I'm fine with it. Let's all make our own decisions and be happy.
Crippleware? Yes, I tend to feel so too. But it isn't a charity, and when there's warez, what's the option? Anyway - that's how it is. Like it or lump it. It seems a reasonable compromise imo. At least it's it an open architecture, and that's the real deal, isn't it? You can either pay for that, and get it - or not pay and not get an open architecture. You rather pay CodeMasters? Come off it?
It is so easy to say "if you donīt like it, donīt bla bla. Also rF1 was not a charity for both side. It was singularly to the scene. rF lived through the enthusiasm of the community, and the community lived for the infinity of rF. Not more or less. And this is why many people feel now sadly. It is nomore the familiar surroundings or the good old love, where the money was not worth. So, it is in most case nothing because of least 10 - 15 bucks...
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